Radeon 9250/9200SE + ALI 542C = VPU Recovers!!!

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Radeon 9250/9200SE + ALI 542C = VPU Recovers!!!

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Hi everyone,

First I'd like to say that despite my PC's having K6 CPUs in them, this problem is probably not K6 related, but I put it here because a lot of you will be using similar rigs...

I have this general problem whenever I try Radeon 92XX AGP cards into ALI SS7 chipset mobos uner WinXP I continunally get "VPU Recover" errors.

Things I have tried:
* Changing memory/AGP BIOS settings
* Underclocking the CPU
* Different catalyst drivers (Except ancient 3.x series)
* Different 92XX graphic cards
* Different ALI mainboards
* ALI 1.9 AGP drivers
* Got a friend to try his ALI mainboard with another 92XX graphic card

This problem is so general that I'm absoulutely sure lots of other people have it as well. My friend and I could not solve the problem.

So has anyone actually managed to fix this problem with any Radeon 92xx card on any ALI SS7 chipset mobo under any WinXP versions???
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Post by Super_Relay »

i had an ALI alladin V mobo from gigabyte and was using it with a geforce 2 mx

i would get errors and stalls in 3d stuff (i assume if the gf2 had supported vpu recover i would have gotten errors like that)

anyway at the time it was pretty much concluded that the agp slot on the older motherboards wernt up to the power draws of agp2x.

now im not sure if there was ever a better reason given or the power theory disproven but if i forced agp1x in the drivers it always fixed it.

worth a try at least.
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9xxx trouble with ali5 a common source of problems?

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Hello,

I can not verify the problems you have, but I tried several times to install a radeon 9100 on an ali5 ss7 system (p5a, rev. 1.03).

I always had problems running games with that card (one powercolor brand, the other was a sapphire).

Both cards locked the system just a few seconds into a game (eg mercedes benz truck racing).

A very weird situation happened when I ran the directx-tests within dxdiag.exe.

Many of you might know these tests where a) a white rectangle bounces up and down and b) a green colored 3d-cubus spins around itself.

I have seen these tests with a lot of different cards and a range of different cpu-systems. But I have never ever seen these tests to be performed with SUCH speed - especially the test with the green cubus - that it was impossible to follow with your eyes. yow were not even able to imagine whats written on the surface of the cubus, no "sharp" edges, no sharp anything because of that absolutely amazing speed !!!

The "drawback": system freeze :(

If one was able to transform that speed into stable gaming we would have a new ss7-graphic-card-king!

Any suggestions welcome!

I am about to install from scratch a system based on the DFI K6XV3+66/BB (my first via-based mainboard). I will again try to use the radeon 9100 (which in fact blows away any 92xx-card, see

http://www.sudhian.com/showdocs.cfm?aid=445).

For the moment, Mr Chips, I have no advice for you ....

Peter
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Post by Chips »

Thanks for all the replies guys.

To pick up on some of the ideas, I did try forcing 1x AGP but that did nothing. In regards to power, I tried placing the mobo on a dedicated 230Watt AT supply and everything else on a 200Watt AT supply and I got the same problem so I doubt it's power related.

Actually it's funny you mentioned you had problems with the Gforce2 because I have had nothing but success with a Siluro Gforce2 MX400 on the Ali chipset - you just have to use the older drivers (i.e. no forceware!!!)

I can even run SWAT 4 @ 20fps no problems!!

My MDK2 demo frame rate results:

_______________Radeon 9200SE_______Gforce2 MX400
VIA SS7 mobo_________18_________________24
ALI SS7 Mobo_________26*________________32

* When it wasn't throwing VPU errors.

So as you can see, I'd love to get the 9200SE going in the ALI because it's in the VIA right now and whilst it is stable, it's very poor in 3D performance. :roll:
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RE: 9xxx trouble with ali5 a common source of problems?

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While the ALi V chipset is reported to support 2x AGP, in practice I couldn't tell you of anyone I personally know who's achieved a stable AGP 2x configuration... and seeing as the R9200 series needs a minimum of 2x AGP, I assume it can't be forced to run at 1x ;)

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Intel® Pentium® 4/III/II/Celeron™, AMD® K6/Duron™/Athlon®/Athlon XP® or compatible with AGP 2X (3.3V), 4X (1.5V), 8X (0.8v) or Universal AGP 3.0 bus configuration (2X/4X/8X) or PCI bus.

BTW a Radeon 9200 series AGP card draws 35 watts @ peak ;)

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RE: 9xxx trouble with ali5 a common source of problems?

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I ran an ATI 7500 aiw Radeon in SP3 On an ASUS P5A-B Rev 104 (w/ Aladdin V chipset), before I rebuilt it as a DFI K6BV3+/66. I had some problems getting everything working right , but once done worked beautiful.

The problems were : 1) Win 98 would not shutdown, (instead of shutting down it would reboot); that one was solved by using an undocumented Win Setup switch, that I learned about from "MulviHill" at this site. "Setup /p i". 2) There were conflicts in the memory assignments for the video card and some other device, that I had to use a troubleshooter to resolve. Long time ago now, can't supply more details.
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Re: RE: 9xxx trouble with ali5 a common source of problems?

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tazwegion wrote:While the ALi V chipset is reported to support 2x AGP, in practice I couldn't tell you of anyone I personally know who's achieved a stable AGP 2x configuration...
Well, now you know one :lol:

My good friend SisSandra says the Siluro Gforce2 MX400 is quite stable on a 2x AGP bus (133Mhz) on that Jetway ALI mobo.
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Oh well that is interesting, but the GF2 MX400 wouldn't draw the kind of current a Radeon 9200 would. ;)
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DonPedro wrote:Hello,

I can not verify the problems you have, but I tried several times to install a radeon 9100 on an ali5 ss7 system (p5a, rev. 1.03).

I always had problems running games with that card (one powercolor brand, the other was a sapphire).

Both cards locked the system just a few seconds into a game (eg mercedes benz truck racing).

A very weird situation happened when I ran the directx-tests within dxdiag.exe.

Many of you might know these tests where a) a white rectangle bounces up and down and b) a green colored 3d-cubus spins around itself.

I have seen these tests with a lot of different cards and a range of different cpu-systems. But I have never ever seen these tests to be performed with SUCH speed - especially the test with the green cubus - that it was impossible to follow with your eyes. yow were not even able to imagine whats written on the surface of the cubus, no "sharp" edges, no sharp anything because of that absolutely amazing speed !!!

The "drawback": system freeze :(

If one was able to transform that speed into stable gaming we would have a new ss7-graphic-card-king!

Any suggestions welcome!

I am about to install from scratch a system based on the DFI K6XV3+66/BB (my first via-based mainboard). I will again try to use the radeon 9100 (which in fact blows away any 92xx-card, see

http://www.sudhian.com/showdocs.cfm?aid=445).

For the moment, Mr Chips, I have no advice for you ....

Peter
Your alledged speed display in the Direct X tests are false. Sorry.

I have had that occur also and when you due a complete uninstall of your drivers and then reinstall them properly with Direct X installed cleanly it will run the test normally.
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RE: Re: 9xxx trouble with ali5 a common source of problems?

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Have heard from King V that 9200 series Radeons are incompatable w/ Super 7. King is currently incommunicado; but when he comes back he may be able to offer some info.
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Post by Chips »

Thanks Jim.

Well, I guess there is not much that can be done to overcome the problem i thats the case. :roll:

I am considering getting a Geforce FX 5200 and trying it, but I'm wondering if there is any advantage so compared to the Geforce2 on this system :)
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2 x Voodoo2 12Mb (SLI) + Geforce2 MX400, AMD K6-III+ 600Mhz, Jetway ALI 542C
Radeon 9250, Intel PIII 1Ghz, ABIT BE6
Voodoo2 8Mb + Nvidia FX5200, Intel PIII 1.133Ghz, MS-6315
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Post by Jim »

Should mention that I have an ASUS 9200SE Radeon floating around that is slated for Superpuppy 5. Will eventually be finding out first hand if I can make it work. Also should mention that nk, who doesn't seem to post here anymore, said that the ASUS 9200SE works fine on the DFI K6BV3+/66 he has. (That was in an e-mail to me.)
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