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KachiWachi wrote:What revision Motherboard? FYI - for Rev. B K6XV30926 BIOS exists @DFI website.

OK...notes to self...

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MVP3 - AGP2.0 spec - 1X, 2X modes only (no 4X)

AGP2.0 spec - 3.3V, 1.5V, Universal connectors allowed
AGP3.0 spec - 1.5V, Pro 1.5V connectors allowed
              8X, 0.8V "high", 3.3V signaling removed

Board "appears" to have 3.3V slot (from DFI photo)
AGP2X (AGP1.0 spec?) for motherboard

Leadtech card - keyed to fit everything, uses Ultra FX5700 GPU
The more I look at this, I don't think the card is going to work properly.
hello kachi,

first, i was also confused be the misleading via 2.0 statings in the documentary for mvp3 , but its not true its only agp 1.0 conform (no agp 4x no 1,5v signaling) ... but that SHOULD be no problem because agp 2.0 & 3.0 "allows" (but not demands) downward signal compatiblity ... with universal agp cards (3,3v & 1.5v) & universal agp 3.0 cards (1.5 & 0.8 v signaling) , the differences are keyed with slots in the edge of cards ... if its not universal it will not fit in an agp 1.0 slot
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Jim wrote:And to do that I would recommend first using the Win98 Sysinfo applet to locate the registry settings, which unfortunately appear to be in one long string of hexidecimal. HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\enum\PCI\VEN_-------. Get in there and take a look at what is there, when there are no resources "ADDED". Then ADD the desired resources, and go back in there and look again. (doing a restart if necessary to effect the changes) See if anything is changed. If, as I hope, you find an additional line of hex code, great. Keep the additional line and edit out the original one.

And if there are no changes in that registry section, then check the one that Jess1313 had to edit to get his 5200 fx working.

In the worst case, you can use WPCredit to edit the memory settings. The changes made will not be permanent however, you will either have to manually reload them with every boot, or alternately, once you get them worked out, you can use WPCRSet to create a registry setting file that will autoload at boot

If I can get a Radeon all in wonder 9000 working; and Jess1313 can get an NVidia 5200 fx working, both by editing the memory settings, then he can do the same.

hello jim...

thanks for further dicovering this topic... think now i get your point and will try it!
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Post by KachiWachi »

Yeah...they seem to use AGP2.0 and AGP2X interchangeably... :(

To see which spec is actually implemented, check chipset register 0xA2.

Bits 23-20 = Major AGP Specification Revision
Bits 19-16 = Minor AGP Specification Revision

Per the MVP3 datasheet then, this should read 10h...or AGP1.0. I'm not sure why they say this chipset is AGP2.0 in the text portions though... :roll:

Per the AGP3.0 spec (Rev 1.0), if the card is keyed as Universal, it is "supposed" to support 3.3V signaling. To be sure, I again recommend contacting Leadtek.

The problem *may* be in detecting a "low" in the alloted time...sometimes the system gets it right, other times it doesn't.
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Post by Jim »

Might also add in respect of what I said before, when you do get into the registry and find that line of hex code, before you play w/ it you might post it, so that KachiWachi who knows more about these things than I do may advise you what to edit within the line.
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I am running a PC based on the EPoX EP-MVP3G2 board and (currently) a K6-III+ 400ATZ. Based upon the MVP3 chipset, my APG slot is AGP 1.0 specs. However, I am using an nVidia-based AGP card that calls for an AGP 2.0 slot. (See this link: http://www.maddogmultimedia.com/product ... 400agp.asp)

The card has been installed for about a year now with no problems. Actually, I successfully overclocked it about a month ago. The card's original GPU/RAM speeds were 200MHz/133MHz - now overclocked to 210/210. It would overclock higher, but I saw no improvement in my testing scores. (No visible screen artifacts or lockups until RAM MHz went above 228MHz. Also, GPU speeds above 220MHZ seemed to have no effect.)

Anyway, here's my point - the card works fine in the AGP 1.0 slot in spite of the AGP 2.0 requirement for the card. I also have this card which is destined for one of my EP-MVP3G5 boards - also with AGP 1.0 slots (link http://www.maddogmultimedia.com/product ... 200agp.asp). and some ATI 9200 cards that I could try in there if it would help.
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AGP 2.0 is certainly more compatible with AGP 1.0 than AGP 3.0 is...

How is the card keyed?
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I don't think that "Detecting Low" is the problem. Apart from my own experience, what he is getting is too measured for that to be the cause. 1boot bad, 1 boot good, over and over. To me that says that he has two competing resource sets allocated, with the defective original "Auto Assigned" set in the default position. It fails, then the next boot the system switches to the manually added set. Solution, - remove the allocation of the "Auto Assigned" set. Note further that when he allocated a whole bunch of different memory blocks to the card, he wound up getting it booting to a different set of resources on each successive boot.

The simplest ways of removing the defective resources, I have already outlined. He either misunderstood me and did not try them properly, or he tried and they did not work. In the former case he should try again, in the latter case he will have to edit the registry to get rid of them. He does pretty well in English , much better than I would do in German.
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Post by sylvan2626 »

Ooops..

The second card that I pointed to by way of link should have been MadDog's nVidia FX5500, not the FX5200.
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Further to what I last said on this subject, I should have said loosely outlined. Since I do not have any memory conflicts on my machines, (I would have to put my 9000 in an ASUS P5A-B w/ a fresh install to get one), I cannot exactly follow the procedure required all the way through. What I did before required some trial and error before I got it right.

Edit : To restate the way I used :

1) Open the "Device Manager"; click "Computer"; click "Properties"; click the "Memory" button; then highlight the device w/ the memory range that you want to change; next click the "Reserve Resources" tab; then when that opens, click the "Memory" button, then click the "Add" button; then a little screen will popup that allows you to enter start and end addresses for the memory you want to reserve. Note : You will have to do this separately for each conflicting memory block that you want to change.

2) Once having done that, you will have two sets of resources assigned to the card. a)The original "Auto Assigned" set, (in the default position), and b) The set that you manually "Added". The next step is to switch the default assignment. To do that, I think what you do is : Open "Device Manager", then click "Display Adapters"; then when that opens double click on your display card. When that screen opens, click the "Resources" tab. Once in there, first uncheck thye "Use Automatic Settings" box, then click the "Down Arrow" to the right of the horizontal box, which is to the right of "Setting Based On". The drop down menu in the horizontal box should now have two lines, (groups of memory blocks assigned), in it. If so change the default to the newly added set. If that works, do a restart to see if it boots with the desired settings.

3) Whether that works or not, the final step is to "Remove" the unwanted group of "Auto Assigned" memory blocks from those allocated to the card. When you do that you want to be booted on your manually assigned set. To do the removal, try using the same routine that you used to "Add" resources, except use the "Remove" button instead of the "Add" button, and when the popup screen comes up that allows you to enter addresses; enter the unwanted conflicting addresses of the "Auto Assigned" group of memory blocks.

If that, or some minor variation of it, doesn't work, you will have to edit your registry to get rid of the conflicting "Auto Assigned" blocks.
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hello

was short in time ... but here is the registry branch you want (i hope)

jim, do you mean this selection of resources? second window, second tab "reserve ressources" ... but only for whole system not specific for hardware :( (or... am i wrong?)
Image

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REGEDIT4

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Enum\PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_0342&SUBSYS_2983107D&REV_A1]

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Enum\PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_0342&SUBSYS_2983107D&REV_A1\000800]
"Capabilities"=hex:14,00,00,00
"HardwareID"="PCI\\VEN_10DE&DEV_0342&SUBSYS_2983107D&REV_A1,PCI\\VEN_10DE&DEV_0342&SUBSYS_2983107D,PCI\\VEN_10DE&DEV_0342&REV_A1&CC_0300,PCI\\VEN_10DE&DEV_0342&CC_030000,PCI\\VEN_10DE&DEV_0342&CC_0300"
"CompatibleIDs"="PCI\\VEN_10DE&DEV_0342&REV_A1,PCI\\VEN_10DE&DEV_0342,PCI\\VEN_10DE&CC_030000,PCI\\VEN_10DE&CC_0300,PCI\\VEN_10DE,PCI\\CC_030000,PCI\\CC_0300"
"DeviceDesc"="NVIDIA GeForce FX 5700"
"HWRevision"="161"
"Class"="DISPLAY"
"Driver"="DISPLAY\\0000"
"Mfg"="NVIDIA"
"ClassGUID"="{4d36e968-e325-11ce-bfc1-08002be10318}"
"ConfigFlags"=hex:00,00,00,00
"FailReasonString"="None"
"FailReason"=dword:00000000
"FailReasonID"=dword:00000100
"InitAdapterPowerState"="01"

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Enum\PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_0342&SUBSYS_2983107D&REV_A1\000800\LogConfig]
"0000"=hex:00,04,00,00,00,30,00,00,30,00,00,00,01,00,00,00,01,00,14,00,00,00,\
0a,00,ff,ff,0a,00,01,00,00,00,ff,ff,ff,ff,00,00,01,00,00,00,0a,00,ff,ff,0a,\
00,01,00,00,00,ff,00,00,00,30,00,00,00,01,00,00,00,01,00,14,00,00,00,0b,00,\
ff,ff,0b,00,01,00,00,00,ff,ff,ff,ff,00,00,01,00,00,00,0b,00,ff,ff,0b,00,01,\
00,00,00,ff,00,00,00,24,00,00,00,02,00,00,00,01,00,0c,00,b0,03,bb,03,00,00,\
04,03,ff,ff,0c,00,b0,03,bb,03,00,00,04,03,ff,00,00,00,24,00,00,00,02,00,00,\
00,01,00,0c,00,c0,03,df,03,00,00,04,03,ff,ff,20,00,c0,03,df,03,00,00,04,03,\
ff,00,00,00,10,00,00,00,04,00,00,00,03,00,0b,00,b8,de,00,00,30,00,00,00,01,\
00,00,00,01,00,14,00,00,00,00,20,ff,ff,ff,20,01,00,00,00,00,00,00,ff,00,00,\
00,01,00,00,00,00,ff,ff,ff,ff,01,00,00,00,10,00,00,00,30,00,00,00,01,00,00,\
00,01,00,14,00,00,00,00,10,ff,ff,ff,1f,05,00,00,00,00,00,00,f0,00,00,00,10,\
00,00,00,00,ff,ff,ff,ff,05,00,00,00,14,00,00,00,30,00,00,00,01,00,00,00,01,\
00,14,00,00,00,0c,00,ff,ff,0c,00,00,00,00,00,ff,ff,ff,ff,00,00,01,00,00,00,\
0c,00,ff,ff,0c,00,00,00,00,00,ff,00,00,00,30,00,00,00,01,00,00,00,01,00,14,\
00,00,00,00,21,ff,ff,01,21,00,00,00,00,00,00,fe,ff,00,00,02,00,00,00,00,00,\
ff,ff,ff,ff,00,00,00,00,fc,00,00,00,00,00,00,00

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Jim wrote:Further to what I last said on this subject, I should have said loosely outlined. Since I do not have any memory conflicts on my machines, (I would have to put my 9000 in an ASUS P5A-B w/ a fresh install to get one), I cannot exactly follow the procedure required all the way through. What I did before required some trial and error before I got it right.

Edit : To restate the way I used :

1) Open the "Device Manager"; click "Computer"; click "Properties"; click the "Memory" button; then highlight the device w/ the memory range that you want to change; next click the "Reserve Resources" tab; then when that opens, click the "Memory" button, then click the "Add" button; then a little screen will popup that allows you to enter start and end addresses for the memory you want to reserve. Note : You will have to do this separately for each conflicting memory block that you want to change.

2) Once having done that, you will have two sets of resources assigned to the card. a)The original "Auto Assigned" set, (in the default position), and b) The set that you manually "Added". The next step is to switch the default assignment. To do that, I think what you do is : Open "Device Manager", then click "Display Adapters"; then when that opens double click on your display card. When that screen opens, click the "Resources" tab. Once in there, first uncheck thye "Use Automatic Settings" box, the click the "Down Arrow" to the right of the horizontal box, which is to the right of "Setting Based On". The drop down menu in the horizontal box should now have two lines, (groups of memory blocks assigned), in it. If so change the default to the newly added set. If that works, do a restart to see if it boots with the desired settings.

3) Whether that works or not, the final step is to "Remove" the unwanted group of "Auto Assigned" memory blocks from those allocated to the card. When you do that you want to be booted on your manually assigned set. To do the removal, try using the same routine that you used to "Add" resources, except use the "Remove" button instead of the "Add" button, and when the popup screen comes up that allows you to enter addresses; enter the unwanted conflicting addresses of the "Auto Assigned" group of memory blocks.

If that, or some minor variation of it, doesn't work, you will have to edit your registry to get rid of the conflicting "Auto Assigned" blocks.
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Post by Jim »

Shaddam, you may be right about it "Being for the whole system", I doubt it ; but I am not sure. That photo is of the screens that you use to "Add" & "Remove" resources though. And since it does have, (in the right screen), individual memory assignments that you can highlight, (select), you should be able to "Add" or "Remove" resources to or from individual items there.

I believe that you have in past already successfully "Added" resourses through this routine, and the photo seems to show a set of correct resources assigned to the card, as far as you can see them; but is there a another incorrect set of resources assigned further down out of view of the camera? That is the main one you want to remove, though there may be other blocks you have assigned that should be removed also. (From when you assigned a lot of different blocks to it)

I know there is a "Remove" button in the same routine that has the "Add" button. On my machine it is greyed out because I do not have any incorrect surplus resources assigned. The popup window allows you to enter start and finish addresses for a memory block. You can use it to remove resources that you do not want to be used by the video card.

The screen used to change the default is I believe another screen entirely. to get to it you have to click on Display adapter instead of computer. (Step 2 above).
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Post by GermanGuest »

Hi,

to give back a bit of information for Jim's tips and the MVP3 PCR Files, I just wanted to add my latest AGP Card upgrade:

It's an Asus V9520/T Magic universal (8x, 4x, 2x) AGP card with GeForce FX 5200 and 128 MB Ram, running by default at 250 MHz GPU, 166 MHz DDR-RAM.

The card is passively cooled, really cheap in stores here (40 €), has an 128 Bit memory interface, and 5 ns DDR on board, therefore RAM is overclockable far above 200 MHz (I mounted a little old 486 CPU cooler on it) with Nvidia reference drivers 44.23 under Win 98 (no SE), Coolbits manually enabled in registry.

The motherboard is DFI K6BV3+ (AGP 1.0 2x) with K6-2 450 and 256 MB PC133 SDRAM (3 DIMMs).

The setup worked flawlessly and stable from the beginning, no problems.

Currently I try to improve sound quality with a PCI soundblaster, therefore I surfed here for the PCR files.

Hope this info may be useful for somebody.

Bernhard
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Re: Asus V9520 Magic/T in DFI K6BV3+

Post by shaddam »

hello bernhard...

which driver combo do you use?

detonator 53.xx ? or 8x.xx?
which via 4in1 do you use?

and you don't got problems similar to mine on bootup?
every time the same set of ressources is used?
GermanGuest wrote:Hi,

to give back a bit of information for Jim's tips and the MVP3 PCR Files, I just wanted to add my latest AGP Card upgrade:

It's an Asus V9520/T Magic universal (8x, 4x, 2x) AGP card with GeForce FX 5200 and 128 MB Ram, running by default at 250 MHz GPU, 166 MHz DDR-RAM.

The card is passively cooled, really cheap in stores here (40 €), has an 128 Bit memory interface, and 5 ns DDR on board, therefore RAM is overclockable far above 200 MHz (I mounted a little old 486 CPU cooler on it) with Nvidia reference drivers 44.23 under Win 98 (no SE), Coolbits manually enabled in registry.

The motherboard is DFI K6BV3+ (AGP 1.0 2x) with K6-2 450 and 256 MB PC133 SDRAM (3 DIMMs).

The setup worked flawlessly and stable from the beginning, no problems.

Currently I try to improve sound quality with a PCI soundblaster, therefore I surfed here for the PCR files.

Hope this info may be useful for somebody.

Bernhard
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Post by shaddam »

*sigh*.... i capitulate.... removed the geforce 5700 for my geforce 2 mx.... :(
shaddam wrote:hello bernhard...

which driver combo do you use?

detonator 53.xx ? or 8x.xx?
which via 4in1 do you use?

and you don't got problems similar to mine on bootup?
every time the same set of ressources is used?
GermanGuest wrote:Hi,

to give back a bit of information for Jim's tips and the MVP3 PCR Files, I just wanted to add my latest AGP Card upgrade:

It's an Asus V9520/T Magic universal (8x, 4x, 2x) AGP card with GeForce FX 5200 and 128 MB Ram, running by default at 250 MHz GPU, 166 MHz DDR-RAM.

The card is passively cooled, really cheap in stores here (40 €), has an 128 Bit memory interface, and 5 ns DDR on board, therefore RAM is overclockable far above 200 MHz (I mounted a little old 486 CPU cooler on it) with Nvidia reference drivers 44.23 under Win 98 (no SE), Coolbits manually enabled in registry.

The motherboard is DFI K6BV3+ (AGP 1.0 2x) with K6-2 450 and 256 MB PC133 SDRAM (3 DIMMs).

The setup worked flawlessly and stable from the beginning, no problems.

Currently I try to improve sound quality with a PCI soundblaster, therefore I surfed here for the PCR files.

Hope this info may be useful for somebody.

Bernhard
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