Need help finding proper videocard for GA-5AX/K6-III+ 500

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DonPedro
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Post by DonPedro »

as an addendum to my explanations on what suits our socket-7 systems best:

I have just learned from this webpage that a geforce-2 MX with 128-bit memory-bus-width and SDR ram is faster than a geforce-2 MX with 64-bit memory-bus-width and DDR ram (given same clock/memory speed).

here you can have a look at a comparison table on various graphic cards back in 2001:

http://www.3dconcept.ch/chips/chiptable5th.htm

edit: but again, don't just "trust" the technical specs alone, which is misleading, don't forget to factor in the impact of the right choice of the driver version!
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Post by a_tewinkel »

I've tested the card in the PC of my parents... It works absolutely flawlessly. I'll put the GeForce 2 MX 400 that came out in my own PC for now, maybe it will stay there if it works.
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Post by KGB »

:roll: Another Radeon not working well with another Gigabyte board.

Oh well, I hope the Geforce 2 MX works out good for you. I mean its a viable card, and fast too. Certainly, I enjoy the GF2 ti500 in my K6 box alot. It's not a 8500 radeon with DirectX 8, but if you're using this this system for older games, I don't think you'd need anything faster.

I'm able to play: Max Payne, Serious Sam, Kingpin, MOHAA, Wolfenstein ET, just to name a few.
-K6-2 550 Gigagyte GA-5AX (5.2) 1x512MB GeForce 2 Ti500 64MB
-Pentium III 933 Asus P3C-L 2x128MB GeForce 4 Ti4200 128MB DDR
-Pentium III 750 Asus P3B-F ATi Rage128 GL 32MB
-Celeron 1.2 Asus TUSI-M 2x128MB
-Pentium IV 1.5 DELL 2350 1x128MB
-Athlon 900 Asus K7M 1x256MB 2x128MB GeForce 3 64MB
-AthlonXP-M 2400+ Asus K7V880 2x512MB HIS Radeon HD3850 512MB DDR
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Post by DonPedro »

@kgb

at what resolution / game setitings are you playing serious sam? I remember back when I tried to find a setting that allowed for decent speed but I failed and I finally dropped that game.
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Post by KGB »

Don, I play it at 800x600 Medium settings. As you may know, the terrain is large, unfortunately my CPU is the bottleneck, until I upgrade that I cannot go higher or more detailed. The Geforce2 Ti is more than enough for the game.
-K6-2 550 Gigagyte GA-5AX (5.2) 1x512MB GeForce 2 Ti500 64MB
-Pentium III 933 Asus P3C-L 2x128MB GeForce 4 Ti4200 128MB DDR
-Pentium III 750 Asus P3B-F ATi Rage128 GL 32MB
-Celeron 1.2 Asus TUSI-M 2x128MB
-Pentium IV 1.5 DELL 2350 1x128MB
-Athlon 900 Asus K7M 1x256MB 2x128MB GeForce 3 64MB
-AthlonXP-M 2400+ Asus K7V880 2x512MB HIS Radeon HD3850 512MB DDR
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Post by a_tewinkel »

I've installed the Geforce 2 MX, but now only Midtown Madness and Jazz Jackrabbit will run. All other games crash when starting up, even when started in software mode. In dxdiag, everything seems to be ok...What to do? Should I try to reinstall everything again?

P.S. I've noticed that my pc locks up very often when I insert a cdrom. It seems my cd-rom drive has a lot of trouble reading cds, while it's only half a year old... What could this be?
a_tewinkel

Post by a_tewinkel »

I just got Quake III to work... I think I'll try installing Windows etc again... Somehow I think Windows is not really ok anymore, because of all the lockups and blue screens I've had ;)
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a_tewinkel wrote:I just got Quake III to work... I think I'll try installing Windows etc again... Somehow I think Windows is not really ok anymore, because of all the lockups and blue screens I've had ;)
a_tewinkel this is testing with the Giga-byte GA-5AX rev 4.1 ..right?

Well I have been loading up Win 98 S/E & Win XP Pro in the same GA-5AX rev 4.1 and my family members' ATI Rage 128 (non-pro)AGP 32 meg A.I.W. card does not allow the the TV operation (Media Center) in Win 98 S/E but does under Win XP Pro after a clean re-install. ....hmmm.

I am also going to re-install from a clean scratch H.D. Win 98 S/E and try a ATI Radeon 7500 AGP [NON - A.I.W.] and made be a ATI Radeon 7200 PCI [Non-A.I.W.] and then maybe Nvidia GeForce 3 Ti500 and a Geforce 4 Mx440 both AGP to see whats all the difference before going back to the Rage 128 A.I.W. AGP unit. Maybe the install of Win 98 S/E 1st time was corrupted or old ATI drivers lingered.
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Post by KGB »

Tewinkel, what Operating system are you using specifically? If you're planning on playing old games primarily, why not the Windows 98? Also, I would not recommend nVidia drivers above 5x.xx for the Geforce 2 MX. As long as DirectX 9c, Ali AGP drivers, service packs are all there, you really shouldn't have much problems.

Is this system you primary rig? Why version of windows? XP Pro or Home?
-K6-2 550 Gigagyte GA-5AX (5.2) 1x512MB GeForce 2 Ti500 64MB
-Pentium III 933 Asus P3C-L 2x128MB GeForce 4 Ti4200 128MB DDR
-Pentium III 750 Asus P3B-F ATi Rage128 GL 32MB
-Celeron 1.2 Asus TUSI-M 2x128MB
-Pentium IV 1.5 DELL 2350 1x128MB
-Athlon 900 Asus K7M 1x256MB 2x128MB GeForce 3 64MB
-AthlonXP-M 2400+ Asus K7V880 2x512MB HIS Radeon HD3850 512MB DDR
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Post by KachiWachi »

I have an e-GeForce2 MX400 PCI (P/N: 064P1NV39A) in one of my machines. Because of all the talk here lately, I thought I would benchmark it using the CTCM utility (DOS).

The machine in question has a 733 MHz P-III in it, so this will surely be able to show the cards performance and not that of the overall system.

Best result with WC disabled - 96 MB/sec
Best result with WC enabled - 111 MB/sec
Theoretical PCI bus maximum - 133 MB/s
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PC #1 - DFI 586IPVG, K6-2/+ 450 (Cyrix MII 433), 128 MB EDO. BIOS patched by Jan Steunebrink.
PC #2 - Amptron PM-7900 (M520), i200 non-MMX, 128 MB EDO
PC #3 - HP8766C, PIII-667, 768 MB SDRAM
PC #4 - ASUS P3V4X, PIII-733, 256 MB SDRAM
PC #5 - Gateway 700X, P4-2.0 GHz, 768 MB PC800 RDRAM
PC #6 - COMPAQ Evo N1020v laptop, P4-2.4 GHz, 1 GB PC2700 DDR
PC #7 - Dell Dimension 4600i, P4-2.8 GHz, 512 MB PC2700 DDR
PC #8 - Acer EeePC netbook, Atom N270 @ 1.60 GHz, 1 GB RAM
PC #9 - ??? ;)
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Post by a_tewinkel »

Well, that was testing on the GA-5AX rev. 4.1 with the GeForce 2 MX 400. Not all games work, but it is better than with the Radeon. GTA Vice City runs, but with about 2-3 frames per sec. Interstate '76 and Formula 1 '98 do not run (in Direct3D or software mode). AvP still crashes during the cd-verification and Colin McRae 2.0 cannot find a file during install.
I am running on Windows 98 SE (as I was all the time). I'm not even considering XP or something like that, because it's not my primary PC... I've got a laptop too.
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Post by Jim »

This is a subject that I don't know a great deal about, so I have pretty much stayed out of it; but I wonder if when you were using the Radeon, if ALL of the memory assignments were correct? See "New video cards in old systems" near the bottom of this page.
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O.K. I re-installed Win 98 S/E in the GA-5AX rev. 4.1 and tried the A.I.W. Rage 128 AGP and it runs but not when I try the TV portion. Used two different sets of drivers + Media Center versions. (6.3 + 7.2)

Put in the Radeon 7500 AGP 64 meg DDR and it runs but not very long with a simple test game (Duke Nukem) ....took it out put in a PCI video card (BFG.) GeForce 4 MMX440 S.E. ..thats runs the game well with rev 43 or 45 Nvidia drivers, tried the latest 89 version and that crashed.

So far it has been picky in the Win 98 S/E setup and I have trouble running higher than 550 Mhz with the AMD K6-2 450+ at any bus speed of 100 + :(

More testing ...lol. Will try the AGP version of the GF 4 440 ...see it can be stable , that will tell me lots on the AGP
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Post by a_tewinkel »

I've found out something very annoying... The ALi AGP driver causes the problems with my CDROM-drive :?. After installing the ALi AGP driver, the drive does not work properly anymore. When I donot install the ALi AGP driver, the drive behaves normally (note: it does not make any difference if I install the IDE driver or not). I have the ALi Integrated Driver Setup file version 1.091. Should I use a newer version (if available) or try an older version? If so, where can I find this?
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Post by DonPedro »

you can find old ali-drivers here

don't forget to FIRST uninstall ali-drivers by running the very same driver-setup program (same version currently installed) again (except when readme files tell you otherwise).

my experience is that agp-drivers higher than 1.83 is of no use for us k6ers.
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