Geforce 6200 pci anyone? anyone?

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Geforce 6200 pci anyone? anyone?

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I was curious if anyone had any experience with this card and if so what performance gains/improvement I might see, if any, after upgrading from a radeon 9200? Here's the linky http://www.bfgtech.com/6200_256_PCI.html

I might be able to get this puppy under $75 but I only have till tomorrow to decide so I really need some input from some of u techies out there.
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Just make sure your board supports PCI 2.0, and has a good power supply, as recommended.

Note - Did you notice they are showing a PCI box, but an AGP card? :oops:
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I have ordered a gf-6200 pci card a week ago. once it is in my hands I hope I will have enough time to run some benches.
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KachiWachi wrote:Just make sure your board supports PCI 2.0, and has a good power supply, as recommended.

Note - Did you notice they are showing a PCI box, but an AGP card? :oops:
Glad you mentioned this Kachi. The radeon im using now which is tweaked well beyond spec also recommended at least a 250 watt psu but i took a chance with the 200 watt i had and thankfully didnt have a problem. Do u think this GPU based on a .11 micron process which in theory im assuming would be less power hungry then the .15 radeon, would in fact cause a problem? I realize this is all speculative but I just dont want to have to invest in a psu if at all possible. Also, how much quicker do you think this processor would be given it's still only running on a 40mhz pci bus like the radeon? I guess what im asking is do you guys think this is a foolish upgrade? Im assuming ill be able to get the GPU well past 450, hopefully close to 500 Mhz and the mem well I know that's hit and miss when it comes to oclocking and I just dont have the specific specs to even have an educated guess at this point.
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OH well... Just found out that this card only has a 64-bit memory bus and ive read enough to know to avoid this. Guess im stuck with the radeon till something faster comes along which should be right around the corner from what ive been reading due to vistas dx9 requirements. Anyway, I still wonder if this card would have broken the 4000 mark on 3dmark 2001. If anyone does actually get this card please post your 3dmark results.
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DonPedro wrote:I have ordered a gf-6200 pci card a week ago. once it is in my hands I hope I will have enough time to run some benches.
Can you reveal how much you paid for it ? What board you putting it into ?
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@dasMan2

I paid 75 euros, but yesterday I found a shop that sells it for 66 euros.

I don't have it yet, still waiting for the postman .... I will put it in a socket-7 ga-5smm board which is also on its way to me (comes from the states, I paid 8 times for postage :(, but I wanted to have this board at all circumstances .....).

@l0new0lf
I think you will not find a pci-card with 128 bit bus-width. but I think that is not necessary since the pci bus is only 32 bit wide, which is the bottleneck here.
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My 9200 has a 128 bit memory bus. I can't imagine how poorly this card would perform if it had just 64-bit seeing as how its already slow as molasses. Anyway don let us know how it goes once u get it installed :) Maybe youll get lucky and get 133 mhz bus working and stable (id kill to have 133 option on my board). ;) Did you get it on fleabay?
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lonew0lf,

I misinterpreted your "Just found out that this card only has a 64-bit memory bus" and thought you are talking about your radeon.

but anyway, since your card(s) is(are) a pci-card, your memory bandwidth is limited by the speed of the pci-bus. at a 32-bit 33mhz bus the theoretical bandwidth is about 133mb/s, in praxi you will get about 120mb/s. no matter what card you put behind that bottleneck, it is drawn down to 133mb/s (120mb/s) maximum. THE MORE it is important to us a card with 64+ mb ram. because if all the textures of a game fit into that ram, there will be no more data-feeding via the limited pci-bus.

the agp-bus runs at 66mhz and has at 1x speed a bandwidth of 266mb/s. at 2x speed you will get 533mb/s. since our k6-systems have a memory speed far below that (about 370 maximum read performance, 180 maximum write performance), we are not even fast enough to saturate the agp-bus.
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No worries mate you wouldnt be the first person or the last to have trouble understanding me :) Anyway best of luck with the board and new vid card. cant wait to see your 3dmark2001 scores . what processor's gonna be under the hood for the new setup?
1)K6-III+450Mhz acz @600(120 x 5.0),Tekram P5M4-M+ 392mb Kingstn sdram(2-2-2-5),Radeon 9200 256mb PCI@(325/470),Maxtor 40GB (8mb cache),Artec wrr-52X CDRW,Liteon 16x DVD-rom 2)Sempron 3000+(sktA)@2225ghz(185x12),1gb PC2700 Ultra DDR(2.5 cas),Geforce 6200 AGP 128mb(520/800),200gb Maxtor (8mb cache) Sony DVD RW DRU-710A 3)AMD 64 (skt 939) 4000+ @3.1ghz(12x255),Biostar TForce 6100 mobo,2GB Kingstn HyperX DDR (2-3-2-5-1),Maxtor 200gb 7200rpm (8mb cache),BFG 7600GT (650/1700),Plxtr DVDRW PX-716SA
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well. the reason why I bought the ga-5smm is that it provides a fsb of 133mhz in sync with 133mhz ram speed AND features a 1/4 divider for the pci-bus.

I want to find out whether the sis-chipset really can handle 133mhz. for that purpose I will use a K6-2+-570. so this cpu should run just fine with 133x4.5. I doubt whether it will take x5 but I will try of course. hey, satanic speed of 666mhz: K6-666 !!! :)
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I think I have the solution for you my man. http://www.computernyc.com/jat8mbpci39.html Its a 5500 I know, somewhat better than the 5200. However, it does have 128-bit memory and should be descent with your setup. A 6200 card is relatively new and is being sold by BFG and 3DFuzion If you google it, some people are having erratic display problems. Some have said its the Power Supply, other have said it was the video chip. I can't comment on neither, but given the age of the PCI slot, I think nVidia was being overly-presumptious with the capabilities. I could be wrong. Anyhow, those are the only 2 manufacturer's I could find.

My cousin has a Dell Dimension 2400 (2.0ghz, 256MB DDR) and obviously he can't upgrade to AGP card, so I was thinking of getting him the 5500. However, if one of you guys can provide some benchmarks with the 6200 I might consider it for him. (Though I can't find an in the states). But the 5500 is tempting for him, since he says he would like to play mainly soccer (football), baseball, CS:S, GTA on his PC.
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@kgb
if you are going for the gf-fx5500 (and supposedly it can run the games you mentioned without problems) then you could equally take the fx-5200. both cards are available in 64/128-bit memory bus width configurations, both feature ddr-ram, both have 4 rendering-pipelines with 1 texture mapping unit each, .... the only difference is the the core/mem-speed:

5200 = 250 / 333,400
5200 ultra = 325 /650
5500 = 270 / 400

I don't think you will notice any big difference, but you can save money on choosing the 5200.

but when you decide for the 5200/5500 then why not look for a gf-3-(ti xxx)? this card is faster in most games, features also 4 rendering pipelines but with 2 !!! texture mapping units each

the gf-3 features directx 8.0 support in hardware, the 5xxx features directx 9.0.

according to the games you mentioned I doubt they even use directx 8. (effectively using it and calling for it on a label written on the game's box are two different things.)
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Why not get a Geforce 3 instead of a FX5500? I wonder if it has anything to do with the Dell Dimension 2400 not having a AGP slot! If I had an AGO slot, you'd think I was only limited to the Geforce 3, I could very well get a Radeon x800XL for $100.

Don, I hope your sarcasm meter is in-tact, but truthfully I didn't know the 52/5500 were basically the same cards. I'll probably get my cousin the 6200 256MB version, I found a vendor in the US that sells them. Still it has 64-bit memory configuration, it should work out well for him. BFG does make decent products afterall. What I find interesting is that PNY does not have a 6200 PCI card anywhere.
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@kgb
oops, this is not an issue with sarcasm, I just read over the part which mentioned the lack of an agp-slot.
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