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RE: Unleash the power !!!

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You are welcome; but you should do better still by using the 5.5 times multiplier. For best possible results, use the 5.5 with the fastest FSB you can get it to run at. Be careful though, you don't want to cook anything.
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MVP3 Tweaking ...

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Hello Jim,

thank you, lets look at this second attempt :

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I carefully read your advices to push Pci / ram access faster with the G Breese's 4way-interleaved driver and Via Pci Latency patch too.

CpuMark99 score : 59,3
Everest 2.20 perfs R/W 364/152

I will join soon a screen of my pci host bridge wpcredit, maybe you can help to find improvements. I will get a Voodoo 4500 and have to tune the files for Agp.
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RE: MVP3 Tweaking ...

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I will say it again. USE the 5.5 x Multiplier NOT the 5 x. I believe that 5.5 x 112 will work way better than 5 x120. You windup with a higher overall speed; and for some obscure reason the 5.5 multiplier works way better than the others. I think the processor has been optimized to work best with the 5.5. because it holds true with different types of Mobo and Chipset. Your memory read speed is very impressive; by far the best I have seen on a Via Super 7; but your memory write speed is low. I was getting better than that at 5.5 x 100. If you check my results here :

K6-3+ 450ACZ @ 5.5 x 100 MHz @ 2.0v.

Everest :
Memory Read = 301 (Still best ever)
Memory Write = 158 (Better than ever)
Memory Latency 214.5
Sandra :
Int MMX = 208 (New Record)
Float FPU = 206 (New Record)

K6-3+ 450ACZ @ 5.5 x 100 MHz.@ 2.0 v. Raised to 6 x 100 MHz by K6Speed

Everest :
Memory Read = 301
Memory Write = 143
Memory Latency = 212.2
Sandra :
Int MMX = 206
Float FPU = 206

You will notice that 5.5 times 100 MHz, (550 Mhz) gave the same Everest Memory Write (301) as 6 times 100 Mhz (600 Mhz). 5.5 times 100 Mhz (550 Mhz) also gave 15 HIGHER Everest Memory Write (158) than 6 times 100 Mhz (600 Mhz) which was (143); when everything else was the same!!

Similarly 5.5 times 103 Mhz worked better than 6 times 103 Mhz

Edit : 24/10/05 7:03 AM - New Test results for Superpuppy 3
K6-3+ 450ACZ @ 2.1v. @ 5.5 X 103.2 MHz w/ CPU Cool w/ same WP Credit tweaks as above.

Everest :
Memory Read = 312
Memory Write = 164

Memory Latency = 206.4
Sandra :
Int MMX = 213; 214; 216; 216; 216.
Float FPU = 212; 213; 214; 215; 214.

EDIT : 24/10/05 8:02 AM New test results on Superpuppy 3
K6-3+ 450ACZ @ 2.1 v. @ 5.5 x 103.2 MHz w/ CPU Cool, raised to 6 x 103.2 MHz by K6Speed w/ same WP Credit tweaks as above.

Everest :
Memory Read = 312
Memory Write = 150

Memory Latency = 202.1
Sandra :
Int MMX = 214; 215; 215.
Float FPU = 213; 214; 213.

Using an ASUS board with an ALI chipset I got this :

K6-3+ 450 ACZ on ASUS P5A-B Rev 104 @ 5.5 x 105 MHz = 577 MHz

Everest :
Memory Read = 340
Memory Write = 165

Memory latency = 194.7
Sandra : - (Because Sandra results rise with successive testing, I ran the tests repeatedly until the results started to taper off)
Int MMX : 196, 197, 212, 215, 222, 224, 223.
Float FPU : 195, 201, 212, 217, 221, 220, 220.

K6-3+ 450 ACZ @ 2.1v. @ 5.5x105 (577 MHz) (raised to 630 MHz by K6Speed), on ASUS P5A-B Rev 104

Everest :
Memory Read = 336 MB/s
Memory Write = 141 MB/s

Memory Latency = 197.5 ns
Sandra :
Int MMX : 195, 195, ***, 212, 217, 219, 218.
Float FPU: 195, 200, ***, 213, 216, 215, 215.

Again you will notice that using the 5.5 multiplier to get 577 Mhz worked better that using the 6 multiplier to get 630 Mhz This time both Everest Memory Read and Write were higher by 4 and 24 Points !!

Bumping the FSB up to 112 got me this on the ASUS :
NOTE : I can't use WPCredit on my ASUS because it is a P5A-B and it seems the PCR files are written for a P5A

Superpuppy 2 : ASUS P5A-B Rev 104 w/ K6-3+ 450 ACZ @ 5.5 x 112 MHz @ 2.3v. w/ mobo cache enabled. (First attempt; - has gone well, will try to reduce to 2.2v. later).

Everest :
Memory Read = 361 MB/s
Memory Write = 177 MB/s
Memory Latency = 182.8 ns

Sandra :
Performance Rating (Estimated) = 740
Arithmetic = 1521 D ALU MIPS ; 731 W FPU MFLOPS.
Multimedia = 3544 INT MMX ; 4217 FLOAT 3D NOW!
Memory Bandwidth : (Run repeatedly on account of rising results)
INT MMX : 210 ; 213 ; 229 ; 231 ; 238 ; 241 ; 240.
FLOAT FPU : 210 ; 216 ; 228 ; 234 ; 237 ; 237 ; 237.
Cache & Memory Bandwidth : 1164 - 2k ; 1179 - 4k ; 1183 - 8k ; 1164 - 16k ; 1120 - 32k ; 1036 - 64k ; 915 - 128k ; 630 - 256k ; 268 - 512k ; 236 - 1Meg ; 236 - 4Meg ; 235 - 16Meg ; 237 - 64 Meg ; 236 - 256Meg.



So if you can, try to get it to run at 5.5 times 112 Mhz. THAT should give you the best results. If not you can always go back to 5 times 120 Mhz. Just be careful you don't bake your processor by overvolting it.
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Post by Steven67 »

Hello Jim,

my time is very short this night. Dont worry, I had seen your advice about the 5.5 coeff, but can't run stable @616=5.5*112 with 2,4v.

K6 /ATZ and K6 /ACZ are different processors with a different behaviour, as I said : enjoy your /ACZ !

Our tweaks are different also. In my case Ram R/W/lat moves just in exact proportion with the fsb. I had already try 5.5*103 vs 5*112 and the second is better, for rams scores and global 3dmark scores. I agree with you on remapped coeff 6 that is not a strong performer ...

As you gave me fine advice, I would nevertheless later try 5.5*112 to compare it with others and post it.

As I said, here is my Wpcredit host bridge file for you to look at it :
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EDIT : Sorry, mistake not retg 6009 but reg 600C is the good one to read for 'fast ram' (write at the same time than cache) update.

Two tweaks deals with Ram, you spoke about them in your files. As you can see the interleaved 4way ram access had been already set by software.

The 64 clk is an attempt to push Pci packets length according with the 'Via unofficial Pci latency patch' that I run.

If you have others ideas, they are welcome.

We Keep in touch.
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Well I just tried to run WPCredit on Superpuppy 2 (Asus Board), but I could not get it to even display the DFI settings. Not that I would have used them; but I wanted to look at them to compare them to yours. I am going to have to setup my DFI machine to help you there.

How much SDRAM are you running ? 1, 2, or 3 sticks and what size ? If you can get me some 256 sticks as good as yours, I can send you a brand new K6-3 500 ANZ, or a Brand new K6-3 450 ACZ whichever you prefer.

By the way, when taking photos of WPCredit setups, Put the highlight on a register with settings you are referring to so they show up in the area on the right. I will seach my machine to see if I have a print out of my settings saved somewhere.

Well I searched it and found a bunch of modified PCR files but no print out of what is in them; and like I say I will have to get the DFI working again to be able to display them. What I can do maybe is attach them here for you to download and try; but they might result in system crashes on your machine.

The attached file has 3 zip files in it. Each one has a differnt set of WP Credit settings in it. I don't know exactly what they are. Been 3 years since I looked at it so be sure and go through looking for obvious problems before you enable the settings in them. One thing to watch for is how many cache chips it is set for. Some of my DFI WPCredit files are for a 1 chip board, and some are for a 2 chip board. You have to set it for 1 chip with your board.
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Post by Jim »

One other thing, do you have "Write Allocate" enabled? You can do that with "K6Speed" which you can also find on page 2 in the downloads section here. What you have to do there is download both the "K6 Speed 4/24/01 version 87" and the "K6 Speed.exe version 88" The reason for this is the 87 version is complete, having all the files you need to run K6 Speed but the exe file is defective. The 88 Version is just a replacement exe file for the defective one in the 87 version. If you don't have write allocate enabled that might be why you are getting poor memory write results.
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K6 & Voodoo roXXe !

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Hi Jim,

screens for K6-Loverz taken on 3Dmark2000 and shot by Fraps, with Fps scores. Look ...

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Texture 64 Mbyte !
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Texture 8 Mbyte ... @296 Fps !
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ENJOY IT ?


New Tweaks !
In Bios : Agp aperture 64 Mo /Agp Sba enabled / Agp 2x /
In Wpcredit : Cpu latency hx30 / Pci-mast w in gart range /
Pci-mast R caching / Each ram bank to 2/2/2/5 = 6004-05-06 : hx12
and some others to see on screen ...
Fsb @120 R/W/CP/Lat = 373/163/225/198

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RE: K6 & Voodoo roXXe !

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Everest numbers are looking better and better. There should still be room for improvement in the Memory Write though. I was getting about the same at a much lower FSB. Quite a jump up from 294 no ?
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K6 & 3DFX Voodoo roXXe !!

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Hi Jim,

yes you are right, what a jump from 294 to 373 in Everest read memory ! It could maybe be better, but it's takes time ... And maybe Mvp3 or rams reaches limits.

I want to thank you for your fine advice as it's very difficult to find informations about these old mobos.

I don't have much time to spend on it, in your mind, what would the simplest way to try improve Write Ram settings (in my mind write allocate does only deal with K6-L1 cache not Ram) ? Wpcredit , K6speed (seems not very interesting for me at first attempt ..., but ?) or others ?

At this moment I don't want to modify the Win registers as a Voodoo tweak break my registers and force me to restore it. Best for me was to use an Agp GPU to bypass the Pci limitations of Mvp3.

I have given the K6plus website address on french topic for K6 owners who want to improve their settings like me. 8)
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RE: K6 & 3DFX Voodoo roXXe !!

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I don't know anything about "setK6dos" cause I never used it. "Write Allocate" if enabled, will give a major boost in memory write performance. It bumped mine up by 35 points in Everest. You may or may not have it enabled, I don't know. But this I do know, it can be enabled with "K6Speed". To get K6Speed to work, what you do is download both versions as previously stated, setup the 87 version in a folder somewhere on your machine, then delete the exe file from the folder and put in the 88 version exe file in place of the deleted 87 version exe file. You then create a shortcut to the exe file and put it in the startup folder in your start menu. Having done that, then you right click on the K6Speed icon in the startup folder, then left click on "Properties" in the popup menu that comes up. That will open a popup window in which there are 4 information lines you can change. 1) Target 2) Start In 3) Shortcut Key 4) Run > Lines 2,3,& 4 don't worry about. They should be ok. Line 1) Target, you must change. It should show the path to where you have K6Speed installed on your machine ending with " K6speed.EXE" " What you have to do is add to that so that instead of ending K6speed.EXE" it ends : K6speed.EXE" -WAN -nomax -exit With that done, K6Speed will start automatically when you boot. To enable "Write Allocate" what you do is double click the K6Speed.exe file whereever you have it stored and that will open a popup window with an ok button. If you like what you see there click the ok button and that will open another popup window which has a "Settings" button. Click that and that will open a window that will :

1) Tell you if write allocate is enabled. (Active)
2) Allow you to enable it if it is not active.
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K6 & 3DFX roXXe !!

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Hi Jim,

I have followed your instructions and run K6speed v88, but for a reason I missed it did'nt give me good results anyway.

The context : I run always my K6 with hole memory 15-16 disabled.
I run at fsb 100 mhz with no tweaks.

The screen with Write alloc Mttr0 Mttr1 buffers etc ... just say W enabled and an adress for Mttr0. I did'nt touch the 'sewed, gewed' options and just click 'Enable W alloc'.
It was resulting in Everest ram bench a R/W/lat of 120/75/400, so I try to click 'Disable W alloc' but score did'nt change.

So like the first time I disabled K6speed, reboot and my score retrieved my habitual score of 250/125/250.

My idea is that maybe K6speed lowers ram timings before allowing running faster to avoid system crashes. Maybe I will retry and have a look on Wpcredit files to see what happens when I run the K6speed.

The setK6 command allows to define mttr0 ans mttr1 buffers, sewed and gewed and W alloc too. When I try it with differents options I can't notice better results so I disabled it also. Maybe useful for K6-2 ... I have no idea.

Wpcredit as you said allows finetuning with real increase of performances and is very usefull for me. With a vesa-100 Gpu, I can see with 3dmark2000 bench that I am now CPU limited by the K6.
Even if the processor is in some ways as efficient as an Athlon @750 mhz or a Duron with a 61 Cpumark99 score.
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RE: K6 & 3DFX roXXe !!

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I am not sure what is causing that Steven. It shouldn't be like that. Would need some experimentation to clear that up.
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K6 & 3DFX roXXe !!

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Hi Jim,

last screens from 3Dmark2000 shot by Fraps 1.9

1/ Emboss 2 passes 174 fps ...
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2/ Pixel Fillrate 259 fps ...
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3/ Texture 8 mb :mrgreen: 350 fps !
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RE: K6 & 3DFX roXXe !!

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I am sure that is pretty good cause you are pleased with it; but it means nothing to me because I never used that bench. Give me Everest or Sandra and I can relate to that.
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2x 80G Maxtor (7200) Ducted w/ 2x486 Fans Mount
52/24/52/16 LG CDR/RW/DVD
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Post by Steven67 »

I Wanna have fun too !!!

Dear Jim, sorry but ram and Cpu test scores are unchanged.

Now I am working on Disk and Usb access to optimize. Sandra, But where is that bench ? Sandra 2001 seems infected by malicious worm, I will not dwld it.
Sisoft-Sandra ... But Is there a Win9x version somewhere ?
Is this bench a 'ghost in the shell' ?
K6-3E+ ATZ /400 @600 Mhz (120*5)
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