Radeon 7500 compatibility on DFI K6BV3+/66 and Win98SE

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Radeon 7500 compatibility on DFI K6BV3+/66 and Win98SE

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Hi,

(sorry for my weak english ...) I got a Connect3D Radeon 7500 agp 64 Mo DDR and I tried to use it on my DFI K6BV3+/66 rev B under Win98se.

At boot, this Gpu is recognized as PCI VGA card and a generic driver is applied (16 colours and 640*480 max). I verified with Everest that the card is well known as an RV200 on agp2x @2x, so that seemed ok.
The GPU fan did'nt run so I connect it on a Molex.

A problem occured when I tried to run the catalyst or omega drivers. Boot failed with this message 'windows protection error, you must restart'.
Bootlog.txt file indicates a ndis2sup.vxd load fail (but boot continues) and finally failed after ati2vxag.vxd dynamic load ok.

Can someone experienced with radeon 7500 under Win98se can help me ?
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RE: Radeon 7500 compatibility on DFI K6BV3+/66 and Win98SE

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What drivers are you using ? I use the Catalyst 3.9, or 4.1, or 4.3s for Win98SE depending on what works. For XP I use the 4.7 or 4.3s or 3.9s again depending on what works.

I have found that the 4.10 or newer are unstable when I have tried to use them. (well apparently I must have used them once see below)

Another thing is you have to clear the bios when doing a hardware change on the DFI board. It has been a long time since I went through it all; but I seem to recall what I had to do was first install a PCI video card to get my board to boot, then switch cards.

Note when installing Windows be sure to type : Setup /P I
This is very important; as what it does is disables acpi for Win98SE. Win XP only works with ACPI, Win98SE only works without.

Also very important : Start with a clean install then immediately install the motherboard drivers, before anything else; then the video card driver. I think I gave the install sequence that worked for me HERE :

Note : Size of drive and location of software are peculiar to my own setup.

WINDOWS 98 SETUP ON DFI K6BV3+/66 Rev-B2

1) Format 3200 Meg "C" Patrition provided for WIN98-SE typing "FORMAT C: /U" from the "A" prompt. (Using Win98 Boot Disk).

2) On completeion of format type WIN98-SE for volume name, then use control alt delete to restart machine.

3) Allow machine to restart, selecting "Start machine with CD Rom support" from the Menu provided.

4) From the "A" prompt select the CD Rom drive letter "R".

5) From the "R" prompt type "SETUP /P I".

6) On completion of Windows setup, load "Motherboard Drivers" from "D:\Common Software\Motherboard\DFI K6BV3+/66 Rev B2\Drivers\4 in 1443" as follows: First install the "Chipset Patch", then the "Miniport Router", then the "AGP Driver".

7) From "D:\98 Software\98 Downloads\98 Windows Downloads\MDAC 2.8", install MDAC 2.8; and restart machine.

8) From "D:\98 Software\98 Downloads\98 Windows Downloads\Direct X", install Direct X9; and restart machine.

9) Open the start menu; and from "Settings" select "Control Panel", then from "Control Panel" select "Add New Hardware". Click Next, Next, then select "No the device is not on the list", then click Next. Select "No I want to select the Hardware from a list"; and click Next. Select "Display Adapters"; and click Next. Click "Have Disk", then click "Browse", then browse to "D:\98 Software\98 Downloads\98 ATI Downloads\98 ATI Radeon Cat 4.10\Cat 4.10 Files\Driver\9x_inf" and select "C9_18705.inf" from the available Inf files, then click OK. Click OK again at the next screen. On completion of the install restart the machine.

10) Step 9 will result in a driver being installed. You must then go back into "Control Panel" and click "System\Device Manager" then click "Display Adapters" to check what is showing. If there are 2 adapters shown 1) "Standard PCI adapter" and 2) "Standard VGA adapter", then remove the "Standard PCI adapter" and restart the machine. This should result in some new hardware being found. When the new hardware is found if it asks if you want Windows to search for a driver, click "Cancel". Otherwise allow the wizard to proceed; and restart machine when complete.

11) Go back into "Control Panel\System\Device Manager" and click "Display Adapter". You should now find that "Standard PCI Adapter" has been replaced by "All In Wonder 9000 Secondary". If so, then click "Standard PCI Graphics Adapter VGA", click Remove, then restart Machine. This will result in anumber of pieces of "New Hardware" being found. Click cancel to the question "Do you want windows to search for a driver?" for each piece of new hardware found.

12) Go back into "Control Panel\System\Device Manager" and click display adapters. You should now find that "All In Wonder 9000" has replaced "Standard PCI Graphics Adapter VGA".

13) Browse to "D:\98 Software\98 Downloads\98 ATI Downloads\98 WDM Capture Driver\WDM 614 Files"; and double click "Setup" to install WDM Drivers. Restart Machine, and the previously found new hardware will all be automatically installed.

14) Browse to "D:\98 Software\98 Downloads\98 ATI Downloads\98 ATI Radeon Cat 4.10\Cat 4.10 Files\Cpanel"; and double click the setup file therein. Restart the machine; and resize the desktop screen to 1024 x 768.

15) Open "Start Menu\Settings\Control Panel\Add New Hardware", click Next, Next, select Yes the device is in the list" then from the list of hardware shown, select "PCI Ethernet Controller" and click Next. Click "Finish", then click "Reinstall Driver"; and click Next. Select "Search for a better driver ..", Check "Floppy", and check "Specify a location", then browse to "A:\Win98" and click OK. Now click Next.; and click Next again. Finally click finish and "yes" to restart the machine.

16) Go online and Update Windows.

NOTE: STEPS 17 THROUGH 19 MUST BE PERFORMED AS STATED TO CIRCUMVENT A PROBLEM IN THE CREATIVE DRIVER SUITE, WHICH OTHERWISE WILL PREVENT THE AUDIGY PROCESSOR DRIVER FROM LOADING.

17) To install Audigy Driver browse to "D:\98 Software\98 Downloads\98 Creative Downloads\Audigy MP3-98\Audigy VXD Driver\Audrvvxd" and click setup.exe.

18) Next insert the Creative Driver Disk and rerun the install from the disk to load those components not included in the Update Driver.

19) At some point the install will stop running without finishing. Check carefully to see that the HDD LED is not still flashing periodically, indicating thereby that the install is still in progress. When sure that the install is stopped, use control alt delete to bring up taskmanager and select "Endtask"; then restart machine.

20) Step 19 will have loaded the remainder of the "Audigy Drivers". Now rerun setup from the Creative Driver Disk, being careful to deselect "Audigy Drivers" while selecting any other programs you wish to install. Run the install then restart the machine.

21) Browse To "D:\98 Software\98 Downloads\98 Creative Downloads\Audigy MP3-98"; and load the remainder of the updates; thereby completing the installation of the Sound Card Software.

22) Insert the "LG DVD Writer Solution" Disk and install the software to "D:\98 Software\Video\LG DVD-RW", taking care to deselect "Adobe Acrobat" and "Power DVD".

For the complete detail on my setup on my DFI K6BV3+/66 board in Superpuppy 3 see this thread :

http://www.k6plus.com/index.php?name=PN ... pic&t=1275
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Post by Steven67 »

Thank you for that Jim,

I will try it because catalyst 3.9 (from guru3d) does'nt istall. I will begin with a Ccmos and reinstall with the GPU only.

Jim, I don't understand what you mean with 'no acpi' by setting setup to /pj parameter. It seems that parameter is needed to activate Acpi :

citation : If after installing ACPI you decide that you dislike it and remove it from Device Manager, APM will be re-installed for you by Windows, but I have received emails complaining that systems with APM that used to be able to turn off automatically after Windows shuts down are not able to any more... probably a registry entry preventing that....
Also a few readers have reported the above shutdown problem but using ACPI
Some people have reported that Method 2 to enable ACPI does not work, but Method 1 (setup /pj) enables ACPI perfectly

I am now runnig under apm 1.2 and not acpi. Do you mean the Ati Gpu needs acpi or don't need ? It is not very clear in your message.
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Post by DonPedro »

steven67,

the error with ndis2sup.vxd seems to be of minor importance according to what a simple search with google reveals ....

I would emphasize the importance of the chipset being correctly installed. viaarena website advocates driver suite versin 4.35 and has the following to say:
Win95/98/98SE are now relatively old operating systems, and latest release drivers are no longer optimized for those operating systems. Many users of VIA chipsets who run Win95/98/98SE report that using this old 4in1 version, they experience a more responsive system. If you add new hardware or peripheral devices to your system, however, and you experience instability or find that a new peripheral device does not function correctly, update to the latest VIA Hyperion driver package which may contain updates that will increase compatibility. Also note that the inf file version in these drivers (which contains chipset IDs) dates from late 2001. If you are running Win98SE on a system from 2002 or later, you will require later release drivers so that your chipset is properly identified.
so with your socket-7 system driver 4.35 should be appropriate.
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Post by Jim »

Steven, to tell you the truth, I am not certain what exactly the Command Setup /P I does, except that it involves ACPI, (I was given to understand that it disables ACPI; but that might be wrong.) What I do know is it works!! Anything else I tried gave me shutdown problems; but not that.

And Peter might be right about the 4 in 1 -435s working best in terms of being responsive. All I can say is I used the 4 in 1 - 443s and they worked ok for me.
Superpuppy 3
K6-3+ 450 ACZ (6x100)
DFI K6BV3+/66 Rev B2 (2 Meg) w/ 2x28mm Chipset Fans
2x256 Meg PC 133 Hynix SDRAM
1x 20G Maxtor (7200)
2x 80G Maxtor (7200) Ducted w/ 2x486 Fans Mount
52/24/52/16 LG CDR/RW/DVD
8/4/3/12/24/16/32 LG Super Multi
ATI 9000 aiw Radeon AGP
SB Audigy 1 MP3 Sound
CMD 649 IDE Controller
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Post by Steven67 »

Hi,

yes , yes and thank you very much both to you for these fine advice.
I made a few researches about that. The first warning seems nothing I agree with you Don Pedro. The MS knowledge base indicates that my problem 'erreur de protection windows' could be caused by a conflict between a hardware driver and a virtual (system) driver.
I suspected agp system driver viagart.vxd , power manager (acpi-apm) driver or something like that. So your suggestions seems ok.

Jim you are right, Acpi is not fully implemented on Win98se and I was on APM 1.2. Following your advice, I disconnected all Power management functions, even if it's not the solution it's better like this and I retrieve the message 'You can now shutdown the system' after cliking 'stop' on Win.

But a look into my register shows that Acpi was activated in the past and i read that traces can remains after. So I will follow the setup /p i procedure. ( sorry for my mistake : the /p j argument effect seems to reverse effects of /p i argument)

Don Pedro, thank you for the information about 4in1 Via, maybe it can help too. I will give you more info when possible.

Other experiences welcome !
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Post by Steven67 »

Thank You Don Pedro, load Via 4in1 the version you linked on Viaarena ...
Videos seems finer and cleaner on my 3dfx Voodoo3000 Pci .
For the moment I let the Radeon, bored with drivers problems.
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RADEON 7500 ON DFI K6bv3+/66 & K6 ATZ @575

Post by Steven67 »

Hello,

thank you for your help. Was not here somedays because a f--cking problem of virus. Finally set everything for the Radeon with a Voodoo Pci and switch from pci to agp at last.

Here is a screen.

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Post by DonPedro »

could you post also your results for 3dmark2001 (b. 330) in 32bit and 16 bit?
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Radeon 7500 & K6 3+ ATZ

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Don Pedro,

on 3DMark2001 SE, my score is 1320 points (Hardware T&L activated) on reference benchmark ie : 1024*768 - color 32bits - no AA

K6 @575 (115*5) and Radeon 7500 @290 mhz (core) / 366 mhz (ram)

This is better than a 3dfx Voodoo 4500 but
less than a 3dfx Voodoo 5500 (can't find one)

Which is your GPU ? Scores better ?
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Post by DonPedro »

I am sorry but I can't provide bench-data for an ati-card, I own several (agp 8500, pci 9100, pci 7500) but I currently I have none installed. I also found no 3dmark01 bench from the past which I recorded.

but I do have bench data for a k6-3-600 system 133mhz fsb/memory clock (pci at 33mhz) with a geforce fx-5200 pci card. mainboard asus p5s-vm (sis530 chipset).
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