A 2.0v K6-III (no +)?

Discussion relating to Socket 7 hardware.
mulvihill
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Post by mulvihill »

Hi Jim, I am not exactly clear on the OS. If it is, as you say, SP3, are we talking about W2K or XP Pro SP2?
In any case, if you have APM enabled in Power Options, then it sounds like a driver problem and would recommend cleaning out all parts of old drivers with Driver Cleaner
I've had similar problems with the AIW9000.
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Post by Jim »

Sorry, SP3 to me is my short form for "Superpuppy-3" which is my name for the machine. The OS is WINXP-PRO w/ Service Pack 1a installed. I do not use Service Pack 2. Re old drivers, when I first encountered this prob, I formatted the HDD and started over. (Several times) There were no old drivers, other than the one that WINXP supplies when it recognizes hardware. (It DOES supply some sort of driver for the 9000, because you get a lot more than 16 colours right from the getgo.) Re "Driver Cleaner", where do you get that? Are we talking shareware or does it cost?

Thanks again Mulvihill.
Superpuppy 3
K6-3+ 450 ACZ (6x100)
DFI K6BV3+/66 Rev B2 (2 Meg) w/ 2x28mm Chipset Fans
2x256 Meg PC 133 Hynix SDRAM
1x 20G Maxtor (7200)
2x 80G Maxtor (7200) Ducted w/ 2x486 Fans Mount
52/24/52/16 LG CDR/RW/DVD
8/4/3/12/24/16/32 LG Super Multi
ATI 9000 aiw Radeon AGP
SB Audigy 1 MP3 Sound
CMD 649 IDE Controller
NEC USB 2 Card
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Post by mulvihill »

Then I would guess that the problem lies with APM which does not have the savvy of ACPI when it comes to installing hardware. For that, you will have to "mod in" an ATX PSU (easily done), enable ACPI in the BIOS and reinstall Windows. It's probably safe to assume that you have the latest BIOS.
The words "Driver Cleaner" in the last post are a live link to Softpedia, but if you have a clean install of Windows then it shouldn't be necessary. There is a free version and there is a $10 Pro version.
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Post by Jim »

Re ATX supply, no. I just bought 3x 300Watt Antec AT supplies. My machines are all ATs. Purist me, (or old fashioned dope if you prefer), anyway will try the driver cleaner. Right now the machine is at "Uptown Computer" to see if ROGER the super genius, tech, hacker, etc, can solve the prob. Already he has made headway, when I took it in it always hung at the "Windows Is Shutting Down" screen, now sometimes it goes through to the "It Is Safe To Shut Down Your Computer" screen. So he can probably solve it, AT supply and all. And thanks for the link. Will download.

EDIT : By the way while we are talking, do you happen to have any suggestions on how to get a Radeon 8500LE working in an ASUS P5A-B? I have tried everything I can think of. The board's AGP slot tests good, w/ another AGP card, and the 8500 tests good in another board. But put the 8500 in the ASUS board; and its no video. The ASUS supports 2x AGP and the 8500LE has 2x & 4x so it should work.
Superpuppy 3
K6-3+ 450 ACZ (6x100)
DFI K6BV3+/66 Rev B2 (2 Meg) w/ 2x28mm Chipset Fans
2x256 Meg PC 133 Hynix SDRAM
1x 20G Maxtor (7200)
2x 80G Maxtor (7200) Ducted w/ 2x486 Fans Mount
52/24/52/16 LG CDR/RW/DVD
8/4/3/12/24/16/32 LG Super Multi
ATI 9000 aiw Radeon AGP
SB Audigy 1 MP3 Sound
CMD 649 IDE Controller
NEC USB 2 Card
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Post by mulvihill »

Geez Jim, that board was made for ACPI and ATX. You would still be a purist; you'd just have fewer problems. :D
Do you have the latest ATI drivers?
Anyway, it is getting hard to find an ATX PSU that still sports a -5v rail for the ISA bus.
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Post by Jim »

I have them, (Cat 6.11), but don't use them. Extremely unstable w/ them. Go back to cat 4.7 and it is rock solid under XP. Re power supplies, apart from the "Purist" angle, I have a new 450 (I think) watt ATX supply. Problem is it is a bottom of the line POS, with voltages fluctuating all over the place. The Antec 300 Watt AT supplies on the other hand, are top of the line AT supplies w/ stable output. They also have a lot more power cables and connectors than the "Bottom of Line" POS ATX supply.
Superpuppy 3
K6-3+ 450 ACZ (6x100)
DFI K6BV3+/66 Rev B2 (2 Meg) w/ 2x28mm Chipset Fans
2x256 Meg PC 133 Hynix SDRAM
1x 20G Maxtor (7200)
2x 80G Maxtor (7200) Ducted w/ 2x486 Fans Mount
52/24/52/16 LG CDR/RW/DVD
8/4/3/12/24/16/32 LG Super Multi
ATI 9000 aiw Radeon AGP
SB Audigy 1 MP3 Sound
CMD 649 IDE Controller
NEC USB 2 Card
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Post by mulvihill »

Ahhh... I see. Have you considered a different graphics card? The AIW9000 is not very well suited to a 600MHz machine; it drops far too many frames when encoding. You need an XP2000 at a minimum to get decent performance from the video recording function of that card.
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Post by Jim »

Well first of all, I have no idea what an XP2000 is. (Really I don't know all that much about computers, the "Elite" just means I post a lot.) I do know that to run on a Super 7 board the video card must be one that will support 2x AGP. That means the newer cards are out of it. (I think). Because I use AT boards which only have 3 or at most 4 PCI slots, I do not use PCI video cards except as necessary sometimes to get a board into a state where it will recognize my AGP card. It was my understanding that the Radeon 8500 LE was the best ATI video card that a Super 7 could support. At the time I bought my 9000 the 8500 was no longer available in stores, and I was not connected to the internet and had no idea that fleabay even existed.

Any info on how best to allocate my video cards to my various machines would be greatly appreciated. I have SP3 w/ DFI K6BV3+/66 2Meg cache (600 Mhz Super 7); SP2 w/ ASUS P5A-B Rev 104 (600 Mhz Super 7); SP5 DFI K6BV3+/66 1Meg cache (600 Mhz Super 7); and am building SPZ Gigabyte GA-6VA7+ (1.4Ghz P3S Tualatin AT)
I might also be building one other machine based on a FIC KA-6100 (1.3 Ghz Celeron AT).

For these I have 1x 64Meg ATI Radeon 8500 AIW DV, 1x 64Meg ATI Radeon 9000 Pro AIW, 1x 128Meg ATI Radeon 8500LE, (Might be getting a second of those), 1x 32Meg Radeon AIW DDR, and may be getting a 128Meg ATI Radeon 8500 AIW.

Have had a lot of problems trying to get my 8500LE working on the ASUS P5A-B. You seem to know a lot about this sort of thing, any help in getting the best performance out of what I have will be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
Superpuppy 3
K6-3+ 450 ACZ (6x100)
DFI K6BV3+/66 Rev B2 (2 Meg) w/ 2x28mm Chipset Fans
2x256 Meg PC 133 Hynix SDRAM
1x 20G Maxtor (7200)
2x 80G Maxtor (7200) Ducted w/ 2x486 Fans Mount
52/24/52/16 LG CDR/RW/DVD
8/4/3/12/24/16/32 LG Super Multi
ATI 9000 aiw Radeon AGP
SB Audigy 1 MP3 Sound
CMD 649 IDE Controller
NEC USB 2 Card
mulvihill
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Post by mulvihill »

Well, it turns out that the T2P4 that landed in my lap is not the venerable rev. 3.0 but rather, the rev. 2.1 which is, at best, a waste of space. There is no voltage control and limited multipliers. So much for that.
Jim, have you installed the Ali chipset and AGP drivers in the P5a-b?
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Post by Jim »

205 integtated drivers. Worked ok w/ an ATI Radeon 7500 AIW.

EDIT : Note, this is the machine which is not picking up the ATI Radeon 8500 LE. The other machine w/ the ATI Radeon 9000 Pro is the one w/ the shutdown problem. The drivers used there are either the 4.43 VIA or 4.48 Beta VIA drivers, not sure which I used.
Superpuppy 3
K6-3+ 450 ACZ (6x100)
DFI K6BV3+/66 Rev B2 (2 Meg) w/ 2x28mm Chipset Fans
2x256 Meg PC 133 Hynix SDRAM
1x 20G Maxtor (7200)
2x 80G Maxtor (7200) Ducted w/ 2x486 Fans Mount
52/24/52/16 LG CDR/RW/DVD
8/4/3/12/24/16/32 LG Super Multi
ATI 9000 aiw Radeon AGP
SB Audigy 1 MP3 Sound
CMD 649 IDE Controller
NEC USB 2 Card
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