WPCredit as applied to a DFI K6BV3+/66

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Post by Jim » Sat Sep 24, 2005 9:11 am

I can not help but notice that nobody else has posted their findings re WP Credit in response to my post. Is no-one else using WP Credit? You can gain a lot of speed if you have one of the supported chipsets. I had been hoping that others would get involved, (many hands makes work light), so we could collectively figure out what works.

If there is something wrong with that idea, could someone at least explain to me what that might be?
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Post by KachiWachi » Sun Sep 25, 2005 7:28 am

People probably just don't want to fool with something they don't understand (sigh).

PS - I have the MVP3 datasheets...if you are interested.
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Post by Jim » Sun Sep 25, 2005 9:33 am

I would probably not understand them but yes I am interested. And I noticed that you never responded either, though it could be that your chipset is not one of the supported ones. If it is supported, you can enable 4 bank interleave for that big stick of RAM you have w/ WP Credit. It is quite easy to use. I posted instructions for using it. (So I guess you were just being too polite to point out to me what an ignoramus I am). By the way, I have a bunch of PCR files, that are not posted here, many of which begin 8086, (I doubt if they are that old). I have no idea what they are for, or if your HP. can even use WP Credit
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Post by KachiWachi » Sun Sep 25, 2005 1:00 pm

PM me with an e-mail address I can send them to.

Sometimes the datasheets can be good reference material, and usually have some explanation of how things work. At least you will know what you are changing, and what is available to change.

As for the 2/4 interleave on the one stick, I'm sure I'll get around to looking at that some day...right now I have bigger fish to fry (over at the "other" forum). :x

Besides...making my DFI run better/faster is much more fun than making an already fast machine faster...if you know what I mean. ;)
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Post by Jim » Sun Sep 25, 2005 2:12 pm

WP Credit tells you what you are changing, and what is available to change if you have the appropriate PCR Files.
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DFI K6BV3+/66 Rev B2 (2 Meg) w/ 2x28mm Chipset Fans
2x256 Meg PC 133 Hynix SDRAM
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2x 80G Maxtor (7200) Ducted w/ 2x486 Fans Mount
52/24/52/16 LG CDR/RW/DVD
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Post by KachiWachi » Sun Sep 25, 2005 10:24 pm

WPCredit might have safeguards built in...IDK.

I did fool with something at one time...not sure if it was this program or another like it...again...all that stuff is backed up someplace from when I switched over to W2K.
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PC #3 - HP8766C, PIII-667, 768 MB SDRAM
PC #4 - ASUS P3V4X, PIII-733, 256 MB SDRAM
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Post by Jim » Sun Sep 25, 2005 10:45 pm

It is in the downloads section here if you want to try it. They only have the PCR Files for the MVP3, MVP4, & ALi V chipsets though; and even some of them are not there.

Edit: The ones that are missing, may be obtained by going to the "Homepage" for the "PCR Files VIA VP3 / MVP3 Chipsets"

Edit: 02/10/05 : Correction WERE available at the homepage mentioned above at the time that was entered. Some are not there now. i.e. Any Beginning 8086, the KT133, and also 11060391 & 11060691. I don't know what they are for, but if you (anybody) need them, I have them.
Superpuppy 3
K6-3+ 450 ACZ (6x100)
DFI K6BV3+/66 Rev B2 (2 Meg) w/ 2x28mm Chipset Fans
2x256 Meg PC 133 Hynix SDRAM
1x 20G Maxtor (7200)
2x 80G Maxtor (7200) Ducted w/ 2x486 Fans Mount
52/24/52/16 LG CDR/RW/DVD
8/4/3/12/24/16/32 LG Super Multi
ATI 9000 aiw Radeon AGP
SB Audigy 1 MP3 Sound
CMD 649 IDE Controller
NEC USB 2 Card

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Post by Stedman5040 » Thu Nov 16, 2006 10:19 am

@Jim

To add to the collection I have managed to acquire a K6XV3+/66 board with 1M cache. What BIOS revision are you running on your K6BV3+/66 board?

I have only just installed the board and done a quick test with Everest and the results are horrid when compared to the EPOX boards (EP-MVP3G series). I'll post the figures as soon as I can, but from what I remember they are something like

MR/MW/ML 202/108/327

and that is with all of the above tweaks by WPCREDIT and assigning WA with K6speed. The cpu is working with 5.5x100 and the board is installed with 384MB of Hynix ram working with 2-2-2-5 timings.

Without the tweaks it was much worse. ML I remember was over 400, MR was about 150 and MW about 70.

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Post by Jim » Thu Nov 16, 2006 9:47 pm

Tony, I downloaded the K6BV30412.Zip, (00/04/12), which has the K6bb0412.bin bios file in it that I use. I also have others, including one newer one, (01/04/18); but Carl Coconut warned against using it. (Slow bootup w/ BK6BB04181.zip which contains the 2a5led4h.bin bios file.) But bear in mind my board is an AT (K6BV3+/66) you will need the bios for the ATX version (K6XV3+/66). Will do a shutdown and see what comes up on the startup screen, also see if I can find what defaults I was running w/ WPCredit on my 1 Meg board that used to be in SP3 but now is in SP5, (w/ defective processor); then EDIT this post to give you any more info that I can.

EDIT : K, was unable to find a saved screenshot of my tweaks; but did find a lot of different saved registry files for WPCredit for my 1Meg board. Problem is I don't dare use them in this machine because of the crappy processor in it, plus the fact that my PC133 CL2 Hynix in SP5 will not hold all the settings that my PC133 CL3 (LOW POWER) SDRAM, (running on normal power), in SP3 will hold. If you PM me an e-mail address I can send you a ton of stuff including some tweak programs I downloaded from Bronx69.
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DFI K6BV3+/66 Rev B2 (2 Meg) w/ 2x28mm Chipset Fans
2x256 Meg PC 133 Hynix SDRAM
1x 20G Maxtor (7200)
2x 80G Maxtor (7200) Ducted w/ 2x486 Fans Mount
52/24/52/16 LG CDR/RW/DVD
8/4/3/12/24/16/32 LG Super Multi
ATI 9000 aiw Radeon AGP
SB Audigy 1 MP3 Sound
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Post by Stedman5040 » Sat Nov 18, 2006 2:02 am

@Jim

Thanks for the utilities. I have now found the schoolboy error for the bad memory benches :oops: . I didn't check the memory timings jumper. It was set to the AGP bus. Changed that and now with no tweaks with wpcredit and just changing bios settings I get for Everest

MR/MW/ML (243/121/281.3)

I wonder what cpu and memory the system was running before?

I tried some wpcredit tweaks and found that trying to enable 4x interleaving caused the machine to crash. This is not due to the memory not supporting it as I could enable 4x interleaving at the lower memory bus speed of 66mhz. Anyway I'll post some figures for this board as soon as I get them.

Stedman :)

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Post by Jim » Sat Nov 18, 2006 6:31 am

I have had problems w/ 4 bank interleave also. My PC133 CL2 Hynix won't support it at all so far. My PC133 CL3 low power Hynis will support 4 bank, with no problems under WIN XP; but under Win 98 only if I disable some of my powertweak settings.

Edit just checked my old numbers, and it seems you are getting better results than I did; so of course I will pester you until you post every last cotten picking detail of what you are doing to achieve that. :D

Re what memory and processor it was previously running, what did you find the CPU dips set for? At a guess, maybe some genius thought the /66 refered to PC66 SDRAM. Be glad, the performance he was getting probably influenced his decision to sell the board. :wink: The DFI is one of the very few boards out there w/ 4 PCI slots and ATA /66.
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K6-3+ 450 ACZ (6x100)
DFI K6BV3+/66 Rev B2 (2 Meg) w/ 2x28mm Chipset Fans
2x256 Meg PC 133 Hynix SDRAM
1x 20G Maxtor (7200)
2x 80G Maxtor (7200) Ducted w/ 2x486 Fans Mount
52/24/52/16 LG CDR/RW/DVD
8/4/3/12/24/16/32 LG Super Multi
ATI 9000 aiw Radeon AGP
SB Audigy 1 MP3 Sound
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Post by KachiWachi » Tue Nov 21, 2006 12:29 pm

Either the RAM chips themselves are 4-bank or they are not.

What chips are on your PC133 CL2 Hynix Jim?
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PC #2 - Amptron PM-7900 (M520), i200 non-MMX, 128 MB EDO
PC #3 - HP8766C, PIII-667, 768 MB SDRAM
PC #4 - ASUS P3V4X, PIII-733, 256 MB SDRAM
PC #5 - Gateway 700X, P4-2.0 GHz, 768 MB PC800 RDRAM
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PC #7 - Dell Dimension 4600i, P4-2.8 GHz, 512 MB PC2700 DDR
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PC #9 - ??? ;)

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Post by Jim » Tue Nov 21, 2006 6:45 pm

@ KachiWachi I have 3 different types of Hynix Ram.
1) 2 x 256Meg Sticks of PC133 CL3, PC100 CL2 Low Power SDRAM.
2) 3 x 256Meg Sticks of PC133 CL2 Normal Power SDRAM
3) 5 x 256Meg Sticks of PC133 CL2 Normal Power SDRAM - HYM71V32635HCT8P-K

I can't give you the part #s on the 3 Stick set of matched PC133 CL2 because they are in this machine. Similarly the 2 Stick set of Matched Low Power is in SP3 w/ SDRAM coolers installed, so I took the stickers off those sticks, thereby voiding the warranty; but I figured the stickers would not help thermal conductivity.

I did however download the complete technical specs on all three types from Hynix; and all 3 are rated as : "Internal Banks - 4 Banks". Unfortunately the files are all upwards of 340K so I can't attach them here.
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DFI K6BV3+/66 Rev B2 (2 Meg) w/ 2x28mm Chipset Fans
2x256 Meg PC 133 Hynix SDRAM
1x 20G Maxtor (7200)
2x 80G Maxtor (7200) Ducted w/ 2x486 Fans Mount
52/24/52/16 LG CDR/RW/DVD
8/4/3/12/24/16/32 LG Super Multi
ATI 9000 aiw Radeon AGP
SB Audigy 1 MP3 Sound
CMD 649 IDE Controller
NEC USB 2 Card

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Post by DonPedro » Sat Jan 13, 2007 1:02 pm

jim,
here comes the bench-data I promised some time ago.

I am sorry that I can't give more numbers. the reason is that I had that much trouble with the k6xv3+b2 (ram issues), low speed gain by wpcredit-tweaking and osmark aborting here and there that I stopped messing with it.
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Post by Jim » Sun Jan 14, 2007 8:02 pm

Well I have never run HOT Cpu Test 422, but those tests that I have run got me considerably better results than that; and I never had problems running "OSMark" on SP3, till I tried it @5.5x112 w/ 2226 timings when the ram was not up to that.

One lousy set of results, aint much to go by, surprized you never did enter all those results I posted in any of your charts. Ah well thats your business. But I think you underrate the DFI. May not be top dog by a long shot, but its quite capable of producing respectable numbers.

Given all the trouble you have had with the board, I suspect that something that you are using in that system is NFG. If you have used the same components successfuly in other systems, the NFG element is probably the mobo itself. Oh well just means 1 less person competing against me to buy them from time to time.
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Superpuppy 3
K6-3+ 450 ACZ (6x100)
DFI K6BV3+/66 Rev B2 (2 Meg) w/ 2x28mm Chipset Fans
2x256 Meg PC 133 Hynix SDRAM
1x 20G Maxtor (7200)
2x 80G Maxtor (7200) Ducted w/ 2x486 Fans Mount
52/24/52/16 LG CDR/RW/DVD
8/4/3/12/24/16/32 LG Super Multi
ATI 9000 aiw Radeon AGP
SB Audigy 1 MP3 Sound
CMD 649 IDE Controller
NEC USB 2 Card

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